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Michael Gerlinger's avatar

I wish I could find enough credible information about Iran, but can't. I read a few books though. In any case I would like to know where you get your information on Iran from.

Horrified and frightened by the decline of the West I tend to project an image on the BRICS nations that consists of the traits that are painfully missing where I live. It's very hard to fight this tendency to comfort myself with illusions like that, while on the other hand it is obvious that the West serves as the ultimate bad example that instructs his victims to bring about the alternative. And there is hope in that.

With respect I have to push back against your core argument. You oversimplify the difference between revolution and collapse. The term revolution itself to some extent is a misnomer. The metaphor suggests that what is down is coming up and vice versa, whereas the example of the French revolution demonstrates exactly the opposite of what you suppose: historians know that the local uprisings in the decades leading to the French Revolution were not aimed overthrowing the nobility but on better government (no matter how violent they were); instead revolution is the decay, the erosion of the institution of the old regime in combination with a fermentation of opposing ideas amongst the populace. It has nothing to do with an alternative already manifest waiting to replace the old system. In hindsight the cliché of the French Revolution as somehow a product of Enlightenment philosophy has made us forget that the philosophers were all monarchists. Voltaire ridiculed the notion that his hairdresser might take part in government. They despised democracy. They wanted was enlightened monarchy which meant a leading role therin for themselves. What produced the revolutionary situation was a feudal regime in desperate need of reform, which the nobility blocked completely longing idiotically to reestablish their medieval privileges. It is the privileged elite pushing their luck, misunderstanding the basis of their own power and how it works.

Same thing in the US and the West in general: Dysfunctionality as a result of decadent ignorance of how the system works that guarantees one's own exorbitant privileges. This is why Trump serves as a wrecking ball to the Western system including the system in the US that produces it's extreme inequality and it's military hegemony. In that sense he is revolutionary. He is the ultimate manifestation of decay.

Coming back to the Iranian situation it doesn't make sense to me that the West, dysfunctional, perverted and ignorant as it is, especially in Israel, was able to produce a correct assessment of the situation in Iran and consequently decide on a strategy that is actually able to achieve regime change. They can destroy, but not construct. They can wreak havoc. (Pager attacks, kidnapping Maduro, Syria) But that produces a reaction because the underdog doesn't survive not learning from mistakes, whereas power and money lead to ignorance because you don't have to understand what you can force or buy. And this lack of understanding makes the West incapable of understanding or even reflecting on the reaction to his spectacular actions. (Which is how the Us's spectacular defeat in its own trade wars came about. Militarily and geostrategically it is the same dysfunctionality) That reaction is the patriotic pull consolidating the societies of Russia, China, but also in Africa - and obviously in Iran after the 12 day war in June.

I can see that the Iranian revolution seems to be losing the younger generation being westernized and not as religious anymore (beside the fact that the overturn of the regime of the Shah was in itself not only the work of religious fervor but a collected effort with a lot of Marxist input as well). But it absolutely makes no sense to me, that economical grievances notwithstanding the Iranian people in general would be obnoxious enough as to try to align themselves with the West just when it is visibly dying and in his death throes attempts to regime change Iran. Ending the Iranian revolution for them should be a project for another day. To attempt to that now would be like rearranging the furniture while the house is on fire. And I sincerely hope that Iranians are too reasonable to go for it.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The point is to give the Americans a pretext to intervene.

See, e.g., Libya and Syria. You'd think that Iranians would get wise, but American soft power convinces the minions that this time, it'll be different!

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